The subject for this evening's epistemological rant has been touched on before, and I hesitate to even bring it up out of not wanting to beat a dead horse, but a friend & I had a somewhat heated back-and-forth about this earlier and I kind of want to blog it out. So, without further ado, here is a probing into the reasons certain hyped-up "internet" bands deserve NO LOVE from me, you, or any other person with a functioning brain:
First I need to clarify certain terminology. I use the term "internet bands" to refer to groups who have gained recognition or made a name for themselves (duh) because some wank with an internet connection said they were something.... and not by the traditional path of playing shows - lots and lots of shows - proving themselves to real, live kids, night after night. Not that internet bands don't tour, but shows and tours seem to come only AFTER a following is in place, a following based on a few mp3 files streamed through pitchfork or some such other mainstream music site.
Obviously, the advent of home-recording & editing programs (and the internet itself) are tools many artists are stoked on, for exactly this reason. Easy street's where it's at.
The shitty thing is music fans like myself are left to deal with all the bland garbage that can get spewed forth. I'll quit pussyfooting around it. Case in point: Cults. What a load of beige, run-of-the-mill, what-the-fuck-ever garage pop. And yet I have to hear my best friend tell me day after day, "Dude! so-and-so's band is labeled as the fucking best new music on pitchfork they're on the front page and blah blah blah. Isn't that awesome for so-and-so?"
I guess.
Awesome you could get your girlfriend's mom to pull some strings and get your name put in lights before you even play a single fucking show. Never having to go through all that awful business of seeing if kids actually like you after LISTENING to a set. Now Pitchfork has already made up most of their minds for them. You can be free to play shows and not worry if people show up and suck your cock... and you never had to do more than rip off the melody to that Stone's song "time." And I'm sure these are really nice, awesome people. I haven't met them. My problem is not with them or even their band necessarily, but in the fact that their band is being lauded as something spectacular when it isn't.
Bands like this need not be anything at all. Kids these days are so terrified of their brains being quiet that constant sensory stimulation is required. Enter the internet. Blogging hours a day, scanning through picture after picture, staring at YouTube videos, one right after another... music playing constantly and IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS, so long as it's hip and new and makes you feel safe inside your skull. And sites like Pitchfork are worthless if they don't feed the masses what they want. Pitchfork needs the hordes of musicians with home recording equipment pumping out bland garage garbage.
So, in conclusion, this is why internet bands get no love from me: Because they are the fuel for the machine. They are the sonic equivalent of party-photography. They exist for no reason but shameless self-glorification. They embody vapidity. Pointlessness. Static.
My generation is failing so hard.
Friday, March 5, 2010
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Fuckin' A!
ReplyDeletehey don't hate ryry
ReplyDeletewell put. this is the world we live in.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy
ReplyDeleteI'm going to mostly stay out of this, because I would obviously not begrudge you your opinion, except to point out the the whole "girlfriends mom pulling strings" bit is patently false.
ReplyDeleteNot what I heard!
ReplyDeleteWell, Anonymous #2, my brother is in Cults and I can assure you that whatever you heard, however you people in San Diego hear about these things concerning people you don't know in the first place, that this claim has not a shred of truth to it. You seem very enthusiastic in your belief in the corrupt nature of the public interest in the band, however, so I assume you are beyond the reach of logic, and wish you well in your endeavors in anti-musical-eilitism elitism.
ReplyDeleteCory, you're really hitting the nail on the head with this one. While shit talking on Ryan isn't new for you I'd love to see more of this on the blog
ReplyDeleteJust because someone has an opinion on a band, which you happen to have relations with, doesn't mean they are music snobs.
ReplyDeleteDear peeps - please note that I (Cory) did not originally make this post. There are many contributers on this blog & occasionally some of them make posts (this time around it was Preacherman).
ReplyDeleteI back what Mattos is doing w/ Cults. Super easy, chillin' pop songs + girly vocals. Totally up my alley. Cheers Mattos!
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ReplyDeleteCory 1, mattos 0
ReplyDeleteDon't you think if it was that easy for Madeline's mom to pull those strings, she would do it for the band she manages more often? I know for a fact she had nothing to do with it. Pitchfork found out about it from somewhere else on the internet. Quite an "easy street" attempt at belittling someone - false accusations!
ReplyDeleteI would be surprised if you had a band and they didn't post their music online(if it had been recorded) before their first show. Why would you not?
Why is this blog constantly talking shit about people who are smarter and more athletic then them?
so bunk
ReplyDeleteIt's nice to see people rallying to defend a friend. However, as I said, I do not in any way want to make this a personal thing. I'm not hating on the people involved - I wish them well.
ReplyDeleteI am, however, hating on a culture that will gobble up whatever is fed to them. A generation obsessed with the internet's opinion. The fact that a band can be made or broken based on what some dude (who gets a paycheck from ABC) blogs - before that band even plays a single show.
Yeah it's all dandy when it's someone you know and they're reaping the benefits - sure, good for them! - but it doesn't make the phenomenon any less wack. And you all know this.
amen
ReplyDelete"whatever is fed to them"
ReplyDeletehow am i not supposed to like only what i'm exposed to? i'm sure there's some really cool music out there i'll never find out about. and isn't that why you're so passionate about "the traditional path of playing shows - lots and lots of shows"??? so people will be fed your music without their even wanting to? unless they heard your music online first, which for some reason you seem to be against in the first place. it's true people are predisposed to the bands they read about, no shit, but don't blame the media for the masses' poor taste. i'm sure some people will shape their taste to what's fashionable, but why do you care? that's nothing new and to say your generation is "failing so hard" is pathetically trite.
Music on the internet is a great thing, probably the greatest. Went to a show. Saw an awesome band. Visited a few sites, downloaded some tracks, good times. The trick is.... I went to the show and saw them play.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the phenomenon is wack, yes. The filter is gone - and a lot of the hard work has been taken out of it. But it sure does seem that your post is hating on the people involved - and it contains false 411 which i felt the need to correct. It's not as if Ryan and Maddie were just sitting on their asses for months - waiting and waiting to get blogged about so they could be "legit" and play a show. That shit was literally recorded days before the posting of the blog! They got lucky as hell.
ReplyDeleteI can see the point you are making - and it makes me upset often as well. The post just feels offensive.
rock on forever....
atk
Totally, I know people who've gotten lucky as well, these things happen. The only thing is the connection between her mom and blowing up immediately is still too close. Kind of like, did the shot come from the grassy knoll, or the book depository? Not sure, but i'm still not buying the magic bullet theory.
ReplyDeletedoesn't mean you can assume. that just makes you an asshole! :)
ReplyDeleteJohn E. Utah, the person I called an elitist expressed no opinion on the music, just a self-satisfied assurance that someone in the bands mom is the reason for their success, even when that is not true, which I pointed out. If he would have expressed an opinion, like Preacherman did, I would have respected that, and reacted similarly as I did to the post.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I'm interested in what Curran said, I'm interested in why you can't hear about a band on the internet and then go to their shows? Isn't the venue in some sense selling a product just like these blogs, and for much the same purpose (visitation)?
So then are you saying Lee Harvey Oswald DID shoot JFK!?
ReplyDeleteWolfies, it's not really about putting your music on the internet as it is about countless people being fed, and accepting, what a website like pitchfork (owned by ABC) says no questions asked.
haha. that's funny
ReplyDeletebut no, i'm just saying this blog would need to be careful of defamation laws if there were any $$$ in the music industry these days. you have no proof but wishful thinking. even if there was some initial connection to get the blog review on gorillavsbear, people like this music, and may feel uneasy about the band if they believed the bullshit this blog is trying to feed them. no one likes to feel they've been cheated! so watch yourselves. slander is bad, mkay?
ps.
again with the trite media bashing! jesus
I get that side of the argument, and I agree with it. I don't think anyone could possibly mount a defense of that aspect of internet culture.
ReplyDeleteWith regard to Cults specifically, it went down like this: they sent me the songs, I loved them, and I suggested to my brother that he send them to this blog gorilla vs. bear, because they like similar stuff and I figured there was a good shot that they would like Cults. It turns out that they did like the songs, and posted Go Outside. The song got tons of positive feedback on the site, like somewhere in the vicinity of 30 comments in the first morning it was up. Pitchfork picked it up from there (they linked to GvB below the song, proving as much). This makes perfect sense, because while pitchfork is in the business of promoting a group of bands that they perceive as good, cool, etc., they also desperately need to be seen as cool and "with it." So the fact that this song blew up on a smaller, but also hip blog, should make it no surprise that pitchfork would pick it up.
I would also point out, like Alex did, that Madeline's mom is also Richie's mom, and manager of his band the Willowz, and the Willowz haven't been on pitchfork at all. So I'm really confused as to why people are so convinced Heidi has some direct pipeline to pitchfork. Is your argument that she's playing favorites, and has just been keeping this ace in the hole from Richie all these years?
We would be the only ones going to court. Melodies of songs are copyrighted, and if you listen to, "go outside", its basically the same melody as a popular Rolling Stones song slowed down with an arpeggio added at the end. Nicht Nicht.
ReplyDeleteWolfies, Preacherman stated that. Not me. It's just a fun thing to run with. But... in his defense he didn't just blindly come up with the idea.
allegedly...
ReplyDeletewhy would you go to court? do you own the rights to that song? and if you are a musician, be careful not to paint a target on your back because music is basically a bunch of recycled parts in it inherency.
ReplyDeleteand no, you are 100% liable for defamation.
"Awesome you could get your girlfriend's mom to pull some strings and get your name put in lights before you even play a single fucking show."
easy as cake
ha!
ReplyDeleteok so the bit about the mom was the information I got from cory, which prompted a conversation and the subsequent post. and if it's misinformation I apologize.
however, I can delete that ONE half of a sentence and the point remains that cults have yet to play a single show and are already in a position that deserving bands who have been plugging away for years aren't.
I'm sure the members of cults themselves are even a little bummed about this because now they have to deal with this pressure and these expectations.
And my second major point was that this sound is over-hyped & fuzzy garage bands are a dime a dozen. in 15 or 20 more years, I highly doubt kids will be looking at the 2000's going, "man! I wish I was around in the days of the lo-fi revival! my parents came out with some awesome music! what a time to be alive!" because this isn't revolutionary. it isn't terrible either.... it's just shrug-worthy, indulgent pop music.
to clarify, the problem is that a blogger's say-so carries more weight than an individual having to listen to the music. it's the "rating" and the front-page thing, not that fact that the song is there, existing in mp3 format.
ReplyDeleteif it was just some new band on stage, with no presuppositions, the music stands alone and can be judged for what it is. but those days are dying and what results is that run of the mill, not outstanding music is being passed of as something amazing.
you're addressing deep issues of social psychology regarding conformity and the power of suggestion. bravo.
ReplyDeletebut that goes with everything. there are no such thing as a band on stage with "no presuppositions". the venue, the crowd, the way the band looks, their gear, it all leads to influence someone's judgement.
kudos for the apology. let's not let a "blogger's say-so" carry more weight than the truth. you're right, this is a lot of pressure for them. they don't need the slander and bad vibes to go along with it.
ps.
wavves sucks
Cool. The core of your argument is righteous. It's just the false he-said she-said that I had beef with. Hopefully we've laid that to rest, and can now share in our mutual disgust with king making music blogs and our sorrow for the susceptible individuals who think that's all that's going on with music today.
ReplyDeleteya'll bros got yr g-string all up in a bunch
ReplyDeleteWho else thinks it's strange Cory posts under two names?
ReplyDeleteI heard Cory actually posts under all of the names, in order to explore his multiple personalities.
ReplyDeletei'm honestly just jealous of these kids getting their music out on these blogs and shit. not gonna lie. PURE ENVY. why can't it be so easy for everyone to get their shitty music out? guess that's life.
ReplyDeleteoh yah and i know for a fact that cory is: cskraken, john e. utah, and wolfgar. ;)
ReplyDeleteif you spent more time writing music rather than complaining about other bands than maybe people would actually care about your band. You have a blog about your band and add updates about your crummy shows, Child Please
ReplyDeleteoh wow that curran guy really knows what he's talking about. what a smart fellow. cept he threw the bunk bomb to just go n spew beige all over anyway. but damn, what an intellectual! i wish i were him
ReplyDeletehaha there is so much testosterone flying around that i think my voice just dropped an octave!
ReplyDeletei could care less about any of this drama, but cory needs to be let off the hook for this one:
cory post under cskraken and that name only. john e. utah, preacherman and wolfgar are 3 different people with 3 totally different opinions, separate from cory's own.
originally this argument began because cory was pumped on cults and told john e. utah, preacherman and myself to check them out. obviously the others didn't share his opinion, and this is the result.
and why so many anonymous posters? that's weak sauce! especially the ones who don't know what they are talking about. this blog is not about any one band: it's a family of san diego musicians working to keep it real in a city that has a great music heritage that should be kept alive. CS touring bands are some of the best in san diego: boomsnake, scarlet symphony, da bears, drug wars, drew andrews, get back loretta, even the silent comedy and weatherbox(while not my cup o' tea) are all hard working bands peopled with good musicians. i know it's not just me. tons of people in san diego support the cs touring family, as should you, because there isn't much quality out there anymore, and all of these dudes are holding it down tight.
word to the peepcreep. and i was just kidding about cory being all of those people. :P
ReplyDeleteregardless of how many accounts cory has (many), whats important is the number of times he has claimed to not be in da bears, when we all know he is
ReplyDeleteoh ha it's you canfield! i shoulda known better.
ReplyDeleteanon: what a kidder! is that you e.j. binns? you silly boy!
ha well who the fuck is peepshow!?
ReplyDeletei'm the only girl that hangs out with these smelly boys. it should be pretty obvious!
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